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oldlift 01-12-2012 11:47 AM

Testosterone
 
Anyone know anything about these claims that increasing testosterone levels, will boost metabolism? Help with weight loss,management?

Or tried Green Tea...for the same thing?

Likely all snake oil,..but thought I'd ask?

01gt4.6 01-12-2012 02:12 PM

testosterone should be HIGHLY effective. I would contact your doctor before getting on it though.

handcycle2005 01-12-2012 02:43 PM

Taking testosterone is only indicated if your levels are below normal. Excess testosterone simply causes the body to produce less of it's own.

Also, obtaining any anabolic steroid without a prescription is illegal.

VitoVino 01-12-2012 02:59 PM

Older men, by default, have lower testosterone levels. I see where you're 60+ so I would assume that you're levels are much lower than when you were 20.

That said, I've just looked into the big T lately myself. I'm not going to take some dumb supplement, as I already take enough supplements, but I have looked into increasing my T naturally.

Here's a great resource:

13 Ways to Naturally Boost Your Testosterone Levels

As a side note, I eat peanuts every day for the myriad of health benefits they supply. And I've learned to enjoy honey roasted peanuts more than sugary sweets.

Also, google [Foods to increase testosterone naturally] for more resources.

oldlift 01-12-2012 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by VitoVino (Post 68170)
Older men, by default, have lower testosterone levels. I see where you're 60+ so I would assume that you're levels are much lower than when you were 20.

That said, I've just looked into the big T lately myself. I'm not going to take some dumb supplement, as I already take enough supplements, but I have looked into increasing my T naturally.

Here's a great resource:

13 Ways to Naturally Boost Your Testosterone Levels

As a side note, I eat peanuts every day for the myriad of health benefits they supply. And I've learned to enjoy honey roasted peanuts more than sugary sweets.

Also, google [Foods to increase testosterone naturally] for more resources.

I have read some of that. Think I'll look more into the Green Tea thing?

Atleast there are no side effects that I've heard of.

VitoVino 01-12-2012 04:35 PM

I've never heard about green tea increasing T but green tea has a lot of great health benefits, one of which is to help burn belly fat; therefore, indirectly, green tea would help with T.

I drink green tea every day and only because it's healthy. It's not like I enjoy the taste, but I don't dislike it either. I prefer black tea, iced. But black tea isn't as healthy, although it's still very good.

I've done a lot of reading on green tea and never saw any direct relationship about drinking it and positive effects on Testosterone. If you've got a link please point me in the direction.

01gt4.6 01-12-2012 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by VitoVino (Post 68170)
And I've learned to enjoy honey roasted peanuts more than sugary sweets.

"Nuts are good for your nuts."

VitoVino 01-12-2012 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by 01gt4.6 (Post 68186)
"Nuts are good for your nuts."

Maybe you're nuts. Peanuts are actually legumes. :D

Sorry, I couldn't resist. All in good fun. Next time you can get me back, it won't be long till I give you some ammo, I'm sure. :D

But NUTS are good for the nuts, so you are correct. :p

oldlift 01-12-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by VitoVino (Post 68182)
I've never heard about green tea increasing T but green tea has a lot of great health benefits, one of which is to help burn belly fat; therefore, indirectly, green tea would help with T.

I drink green tea every day and only because it's healthy. It's not like I enjoy the taste, but I don't dislike it either. I prefer black tea, iced. But black tea isn't as healthy, although it's still very good.

I've done a lot of reading on green tea and never saw any direct relationship about drinking it and positive effects on Testosterone. If you've got a link please point me in the direction.

Perhaps i said it wrong. No connection between Green tea & "T" just that green tea [can]/[might] aid in weight loss. Same reason i was interested in the "T" boost.

BTW...I don't care for green tea taste either..But..a few drops of Vanilla in a cup makes a huge difference!....give it a try?

VitoVino 01-12-2012 06:32 PM

Good tip! That's a new one, I'll try it. Sounds very good, and I've already got the extract on hand.

I'm a real green tea enthusiast, so I'm really appreciating your interest. We also have a whole thread dedicated to specifically green tea, if you haven's seen it yet:

http://www.fitday.com/fitness/forums...ight-loss.html

There's some other tips in that thread as well. But your vanilla extract idea sounds like a definite winner! :)

oldlift 01-12-2012 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by VitoVino (Post 68211)
Good tip! That's a new one, I'll try it. Sounds very good, and I've already got the extract on hand.

I'm a real green tea enthusiast, so I'm really appreciating your interest. We also have a whole thread dedicated to specifically green tea, if you haven's seen it yet:

http://www.fitday.com/fitness/forums...ight-loss.html

There's some other tips in that thread as well. But your vanilla extract idea sounds like a definite winner! :)

I have been drinking it about 2 months. About two mugs p/day. I think I'll try different brands for taste. I 'steep' 3-5 minutes.

Thanks for the links,...I'm going to try cinnamon, for a flavor change.
I'm not expecting miracles but I'll take any help! That seems safe.
Is the tea at Chinese restaurants green or black? I've always liked that tea.

VitoVino 01-12-2012 10:08 PM

I'm pretty sure it's black. Oolong as far as I know. Yeah, that's good tea, for sure.

Cinnamon is supposed to be good for weight loss as well. I only like it certain ways at certain times. It's one of the few spices that I'm a little skittish about.

mecompco 01-12-2012 10:38 PM

I tried cinnamon sticks in my tea, don't really care for it. I do drink green tea pretty much all day now--kinda' got hooked on it.

Regards,
Michael

martind53 02-02-2012 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by VitoVino (Post 68182)
I've never heard about green tea increasing T but green tea has a lot of great health benefits, one of which is to help burn belly fat; therefore, indirectly, green tea would help with T.

I've done a lot of reading on green tea and never saw any direct relationship about drinking it and positive effects on Testosterone. If you've got a link please point me in the direction.

Maybe for increased T you would use it topically instead of orally?:eek:;)

oldlift 02-05-2012 05:00 PM

Update?

I've read a few sites, that claim, in order to assist in weight loss? [if] it's going to? It may require 10 or more cups per day!...Frankly I doubt I'll drink that much. As such I might try the extract capsules.

Opinions?..advise?....anyone really know?

VitoVino 02-07-2012 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by oldlift (Post 71804)
Update?

I've read a few sites, that claim, in order to assist in weight loss? [if] it's going to? It may require 10 or more cups per day!...Frankly I doubt I'll drink that much. As such I might try the extract capsules.

Opinions?..advise?....anyone really know?


10 cups is not that much. Thats 80 ounces of liquid. You should be drinking at least that amount of water every day. Some of us here drink Green Tea all day in place of water.

I've used the Green Tea Extract. I think it's just as effective as drinking green tea for curbing appetite. I've used "Green Tea 315 mg. plus Hoodia" from Wallyworld, for cheap.

But I still believe drinking Green Tea is better than taking the extract, since one needs the hydration. You can do both, like I've done when I was trying to lose weight.

kkotelman 06-26-2012 01:36 PM

I took me a while to get fit enough to do high intensity interval training (HIIT). But once I added 1 or 2 4-8 min bouts per week to my normal walking, my libido skyrocked.
I'm 45 165lbs down from 210(took 2 years) and I now "perform" better and could "perform" much more often if she required/let me LOL. Fasted HIIT has had a greater effect for me.
Here is a good explanation of HIIT http://www.notyouraveragefitnesstips...orkout-routine

I have been roughly gauging my general health by my libido.
If my libido is raised does that mean a rise in testosterone?

rogerbosch 07-15-2012 11:40 PM

DHEA is a over-the-counter sold hormone that will boost testosterone levels, increase weight loss and boost libido. It is said to have nasty side effects though, such as hair loss, enlarged prostate and heart palpitations…

A by-product of DHEA is 7-KETO DHEA which is also attainable legally, and so far has not shown any of the side effects, but still is said to be very effective for weight loss.

To try, I started taking 2 x 25 mg daily and so far I believe it has helped my weight loss dramatically (in combination with Shaun T's insanity and a daily intake of no more than 1600 calories)… Still a little bit worried about side effects though, so I'll finish this month and then try to keep the weight leveled with exercise and the right diet.

PaulMcNulty 07-17-2012 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by oldlift (Post 68147)
Anyone know anything about these claims that increasing testosterone levels, will boost metabolism? Help with weight loss,management?

Or tried Green Tea...for the same thing?

Likely all snake oil,..but thought I'd ask?

I have just started on Testosterone replacement Therapy. Generally general practitioners are reluctant to prescribe T. The line you will get is that if you fall between 200- 1000 in your levels you are in the normal range. That is a big range. Test results too can vary depending on any number of factors. I have been tested twice this past year one at 237 and and another at 350. I finally went to Men's Clinics of America in chicago area- They see anything under 500 as low. I am seeing some really good progress. My workouts are easier my body is looking better and feeling more energized. I was reluctant to go at first. I didn't want to be seen as trying to "juice" but it really is a quality of life issue and if you do have low t you are simply bringing up your T to where you might have been at 20-30. What finally convinced me was reading the book "Testosterone for Life" It is an excellent book written by a doctor who has done his homework and looked at all of the research out there on arguments against TRT and debunks many of the medical mtyhs that still exist today. WARNING: Going to men's clinics is a bit pricey- I am currently exploring other options to find a doc who will prescribe outside their clinic. Mens clinics or others like them specialize in T replacement and sexual performance issues and they don't take insurance or let you get your T they prescribe from insurance -you have to go through them. I started a couple months ago and got a 6 months program to see how it goes. So far so good- Good luck

RobbG73 08-07-2012 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by PaulMcNulty (Post 85579)
I have just started on Testosterone replacement Therapy. Generally general practitioners are reluctant to prescribe T. The line you will get is that if you fall between 200- 1000 in your levels you are in the normal range. That is a big range. Test results too can vary depending on any number of factors. I have been tested twice this past year one at 237 and and another at 350. I finally went to Men's Clinics of America in chicago area- They see anything under 500 as low. I am seeing some really good progress. My workouts are easier my body is looking better and feeling more energized. I was reluctant to go at first. I didn't want to be seen as trying to "juice" but it really is a quality of life issue and if you do have low t you are simply bringing up your T to where you might have been at 20-30. What finally convinced me was reading the book "Testosterone for Life" It is an excellent book written by a doctor who has done his homework and looked at all of the research out there on arguments against TRT and debunks many of the medical mtyhs that still exist today. WARNING: Going to men's clinics is a bit pricey- I am currently exploring other options to find a doc who will prescribe outside their clinic. Mens clinics or others like them specialize in T replacement and sexual performance issues and they don't take insurance or let you get your T they prescribe from insurance -you have to go through them. I started a couple months ago and got a 6 months program to see how it goes. So far so good- Good luck

TRT actually does nothing to enhance muscle gain. Most guys believe it does simply because they have more energy. The better you work out and faster recovery times equals better results.
I have low t also but not low enough to start TRT. :(
Robb

MaxRichardson 09-13-2012 11:34 PM

How to Naturally Boost Testosterone
 
Howdy all. I'm new here but I'm a certified personal trainer with NASM so I thought I would chime in. The best way to boost testosterone is by doing squats and eating foods that are high in Zinc.

When you squat with heavy weight it shocks the body in to "alarm mode" and it produces testosterone. A good trick is to squat in the morning on an empty stomach. It will send your body into testosterone producing mode and you won't be disappointed. If you mix this with eating foods that are high in zinc like:

Oysters: Protein, magnesium, lots of zinc
Beans: Protein, fiber, zinc
Celery- High in Zinc
Pumpkin seeds – high in zinc
Avocado – high in zinc


You will be all set. I hope this helps.

Step your game up.
Max Richardson

zilgzog 09-20-2012 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by RobbG73 (Post 87029)
TRT actually does nothing to enhance muscle gain. Most guys believe it does simply because they have more energy. The better you work out and faster recovery times equals better results.
I have low t also but not low enough to start TRT. :(
Robb

The recovery boost is pretty dramatic though; enough to allow yourself two full workouts in one day. You will burn through your CNS fast doing this though...

coryxo94 09-20-2012 04:07 AM

Dietary fats increase testosterone..many studies have proven this, particularly animal fats.
Plus, progressive overload also causes a pretty dramatic change in muscularity and testosterone.

z03djm 10-02-2012 11:59 AM

Lab results
 
I am 52 and last year started down the road to TRT. My levels were 350, with natural supplements it increased to 450. Of course my Dr. said that was good enough, even though I still suffered all the symptoms of low test. I kept pushing because despite my increased level my Free Test never changed, which was a 47, the lowest of the lab scale for normal. After a tripped to an Urologist they agreed I needed TRT. I am not superman now, but feel a whole lot better. I have always exercised and in great shape, so that was not an issue. I have lost 8-10lbs, without any changes in diet since starting. I take a 200mg injection every 3 weeks; I tried the Gel for 2 months with no benefit. Current injection have me in the 700 range and 100 on the Free.
Bottom line your free testosterone is what you body is actually absorbing and using. If it is low it does not matter what your total testosterone level is.

Rage_of_Achilles 10-13-2012 02:26 AM

I've read the following articles:

How to Increase Your Testosterone | The Art of Manliness

Boost Your Testosterone | Men's Health

Bodybuilding.com - How Can One Increase Their Testosterone Levels?

Does anybody have any experience with supplements, diets, or routines?

01gt4.6 10-13-2012 04:13 AM

Rage, what are you looking for supplements for?

Rage_of_Achilles 10-16-2012 03:32 AM

On the bodybuilding.com link, they talk about ZMA helping with increasing testosterone. I was just wondering if anybody had tried it or other supplements and noticed an increase.

01gt4.6 10-16-2012 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by Rage_of_Achilles (Post 90505)
On the bodybuilding.com link, they talk about ZMA helping with increasing testosterone. I was just wondering if anybody had tried it or other supplements and noticed an increase.

I've used ZMA because it was suppose to help with sleep. I don't think it affected my test but I could be wrong.

jackdup 10-22-2012 12:07 PM

While testosterone may be a good thing for you depending on your age, it isn't exactly to lose weight, in fact, it will help you put on weight (muscle) and you may hold more water.

If you were really serious in the gym, it would still work in your favor, but to just take it will not help you lose weight.

How do I know?

I have been doing a shot a week now since forever.

oldschool58 12-26-2012 06:11 AM

for me and my experiance
 
yes it works...
it's often misapplied or medicated..
normal testosterone ranges are usually 275 - 1100 ng/dl
a huge range...
the medicate either through agonists (things that suppress estrogen) or antagonists - adding testosterone.
anabolic steroids are similar but not the same as testosterone...
anabolic, by definition has a healing, recovering, or building component to the drug. Testosterone is an attempt to supplement the original chemicals...
adding too much to soon will indeed cause you to produce less. Unless it is diagnostically indicated you should not use it.... Low energy levels, low libido, weight gain out of proportion to diet ... specifically belly fat .. and an age of 40 something and above might be indicators.. they have been mediciating women similarly since the 60"s ..
steroidal compounds themselves were developed in world war II to attempt to combat deaths due to malnutrition...

so the chemical compounds are real and established ..
delivery had changed somewhat ... injections and oral medications have given way to transdermal applications for mild to moderate cases...
IMO it unfortunately has been relegated to the realm of urologists .. most of which are either ill trained or at the least inexpert... It should be limited to endocrinologists and specialized... though LPN's are now prescribing them.

sorry I wandered a bit

raideron 04-25-2013 01:25 AM

what is the right testosterone to use ?
 
without going into a great deal of info on levels, etc. i just basically wanted to know of anyone's experience with either androgel, androderm, axiron, or fortesta as prescribed by a physician ? (i assume there are other names out there as well). my prescription plan wont pay for androgel any longer without special authorization from my doctor. just went on the androderm patch at his recommendation. ( i assume i can say these brand names here ? ) so far, i feel pretty good. more energy throughout the day, longer exercise periods , belly fat going away, breast decrease, no weight gain. i am age 63, 6'5'', 273 lbs. no other major medical conditions. been active most of my life, football, weight-lifting, love swimming, lot of walking now, eating reasonably.

skipatwater 07-14-2013 11:02 PM

I have used testosterone applications for years. Proper levels allow you to build muscle mass and muscles burn calories. With age low testosterone coupled with lack of exercise is the reason muscle mass decreases.

I am 65 years old and have a medical Rx for testosterone.

dgeorgiades 09-06-2014 01:16 AM

Natural Route
 
If you want to go the natural route you might try finding a licensed Acupuncture Physician and have him make you a custom herbal formula. I do not think that one herb will do that much, but a complex herbal formula definitely will. A woman that goes to my mother's church was very anemic and there was no Western medication that could help here. Now that she is on an herbal formula here blood work is perfect. Here Western Doctor could not believe it! I'd give that a try first.


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