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serring 02-11-2010 07:24 PM

Ketosis, how much protein?
 
Hi,
I am new to this site, but find it very useful.
Can anyone tell me how much protein I can eat while going into ketosis, I am averaging 20 grms of carbs and 100 grms protein
with approx 30 grms of fat
Any ideas would be helpful
thanx:)

KimmyRocks 02-19-2010 12:31 PM

curious
 
Who told you this was healthy?

Ketosis is a state that's pretty hard on your body to maintain.

pbright120 02-20-2010 10:51 PM

Serring - can you post some more info? current height/weight/activity level? You want to up both the protein levels as well as fat - you seem really low on calories. That low amount of carbs without adequate protein/fat is not good.

flanaganshan 02-21-2010 09:11 PM

Essentially, you really can't overdo it on protein if you're low-carbing to bring on constant ketosis. It's just really hard for most people to get "too much" protein in any way of eating.

(The comment about keto being unhealthy is an opinion, try to ignore it. The truth is that everyone goes into ketosis - not keto-acidosis - about every night. It's just a state of burning fat as energy.)

In most diets in which ketosis is the goal, fat & protein are your friends - they help the metabolic engine to stay going. Are you following a specific plan that's restrictive of fat, protein AND carbs, or making it up as you go?

Alanrlow 02-22-2010 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by serring (Post 3176)
Hi,
I am new to this site, but find it very useful.
Can anyone tell me how much protein I can eat while going into ketosis, I am averaging 20 grms of carbs and 100 grms protein
with approx 30 grms of fat
Any ideas would be helpful
thanx:)

IMO you are too high in protein and too low in fat. Shoot for about 1-1.5 grams of protein per kg of lean muscle mass, carbs at 20g or less is ok and make the rest up in fat. I like about 60%-80% fat, but it varies. Remember excess protein just gets turned into body fat almost as easily as excess carbs do. Use fitday to work it out. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being in ketosis, I have been for years, I eat zero carbs and the even energy delivery is fantastic, no ups and downs and running out of energy like when burning carbohydrates.. Workouts are great too as I always workout in the fasted state. Give it a try but expect 6 to 8 weeks to become fully keto adapted.

KimmyRocks 02-22-2010 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by flanaganshan (Post 4059)
It's just really hard for most people to get "too much" protein in any way of eating.

(The comment about keto being unhealthy is an opinion, try to ignore it. The truth is that everyone goes into ketosis - not keto-acidosis - about every night. It's just a state of burning fat as energy.)

Thanks, but I did say it's hard on a body to MAINTAIN that state. Your body will consume lean body mass- including organ tissue- when ketosis is sustained over time without adequate calories and carbs (as serring had described.) That doesn't sound healthy to me. Yup, that's my opinon.

fas350z 03-02-2010 11:13 AM

That's why you need to do it correctly. Read RFL by Lyle McDonald.

Ken

CindyCRNA 03-20-2010 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Alanrlow (Post 4074)
IMO you are too high in protein and too low in fat. Shoot for about 1-1.5 grams of protein per kg of lean muscle mass, carbs at 20g or less is ok and make the rest up in fat. I like about 60%-80% fat, but it varies. Remember excess protein just gets turned into body fat almost as easily as excess carbs do. Use fitday to work it out. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being in ketosis, I have been for years, I eat zero carbs and the even energy delivery is fantastic, no ups and downs and running out of energy like when burning carbohydrates.. Workouts are great too as I always workout in the fasted state. Give it a try but expect 6 to 8 weeks to become fully keto adapted.

This is exactly right! Ketogenic is a high fat, mod protein minimal carb diet. Excess protein will throw you out of ketosis.

SkinnyErinn 04-05-2010 03:38 AM

My PRESCRIBED Diet
 
I see my doctor weekly ( every Thursday) and here is what I do:

120-150g protein
20 grams VEGETABLE based carbs - no starchy carbs like squash or peas either
4 small servings of fats - like 1 tablespoon of feta is 1 fat serving.

I am making great progress. Listen to medical professionals before undergoing anything like this. I also take about 15 different vitamins and supplements to help my body stay strong and healthy.

Kitty_wolf85 04-07-2010 12:52 PM

can someone
 

Originally Posted by SkinnyErinn (Post 7575)
I see my doctor weekly ( every Thursday) and here is what I do:

120-150g protein
20 grams VEGETABLE based carbs - no starchy carbs like squash or peas either
4 small servings of fats - like 1 tablespoon of feta is 1 fat serving.

I am making great progress. Listen to medical professionals before undergoing anything like this. I also take about 15 different vitamins and supplements to help my body stay strong and healthy.



hammm.. can anyone explain to me- why you would want to bring on ketosis?

I have dieabites and all i can think about when i hear that word is hospitals... :confused:

Mammac5 04-14-2010 11:55 AM

A ketogenic diet SOUNDS a lot like diabetic ketoacidosis, but they are actually different creatures altogether. If you decide to do research about a ketogenic diet and have any sort of chronic illness (such as diabetes, hypertension, etc.) make sure you're reading from studies that are scientifically based. Google Scholar is a good place to start searching if you want more info.

DKA is a very dangerous condition that can occur in Type I diabetics when they have essentially no sugar available for body energy and they begin to digest their own lean body tissues. The body cannot function in this highly acidic state for long and eventually coma and death can occur.

A ketogenic diet (very low carbohydrate intake with the balance of calories coming from fat and protein sources) usually is undertaken with a goal of weight loss. Atkins is probably the most commonly-known type of ketogenic diet. Ketosis can be very beneficial for Type II diabetics since it eliminates excess sugar that would be circulating in the blood stream (damaging to organs!) and forces the body to use its own fat stores (usually abundant in Type II diabetics) for energy. Weight loss can be pretty quick and dramatic.

Again, do your research. Work with your health provider since needs for diabetic and/or hypertensive meds may decrease within the first week or two.


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