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Old 03-09-2011, 11:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Calories Burned Calculation + Exercise??

Hey all.

New to Fitday. I have a question concerning the daily calories burned calculation, and how to enter daily exercise.

If I enter 'Standing Work' as my Lifestyle Activity Level, then add all of the specific exercise I do daily, my daily calorie requirement comes in at around 4500...which seems much too high. Am I effectively 'doubling up' on the exercise calorie calculations by adding both my individual daily exercises and setting my Lifestyle Activity Level to 'Standing Work'?

When I set my Lifestyle Activity Level to 'Sedentary' (which it's not) my Maintenance (or Basal) calorie needs are 2326 per day, then when I add my individual daily exercises my total moves to around 3500 per day, which seems closer to the number I get when calculating using the Harris-B Equation.

So, to have an accurate calorie-burn number, I can either:

A) Set my Lifestyle Activity Level to 'Standing Work' and NOT add daily exercise.

b) Set my Lifestyle Activity Level to "Sedentary' and add all daily exercise, including anything at work.

Correct?

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Hey all.

New to Fitday. I have a question concerning the daily calories burned calculation, and how to enter daily exercise.

If I enter 'Standing Work' as my Lifestyle Activity Level, then add all of the specific exercise I do daily, my daily calorie requirement comes in at around 4500...which seems much too high. Am I effectively 'doubling up' on the exercise calorie calculations by adding both my individual daily exercises and setting my Lifestyle Activity Level to 'Standing Work'?

When I set my Lifestyle Activity Level to 'Sedentary' (which it's not) my Maintenance (or Basal) calorie needs are 2326 per day, then when I add my individual daily exercises my total moves to around 3500 per day, which seems closer to the number I get when calculating using the Harris-B Equation.

So, to have an accurate calorie-burn number, I can either:

A) Set my Lifestyle Activity Level to 'Standing Work' and NOT add daily exercise.

b) Set my Lifestyle Activity Level to "Sedentary' and add all daily exercise, including anything at work.

Correct?

Thanks!
the bigger a person is, the more calories they will require. How much do you weigh? Also are you really burning 1200 calories in exercise? That's a lot! How did you come up with that number and how are you "adding" it in? I'm guessing that you are adding it in and not using the Activities tab to calculate it in. I'm betting that's where the issue is. I'll give a quick example with even numbers...
Lets say your lifestyle is 2400 cals (100 cals/ per hour) and you go to the gym for an hour and burn 300 cals, then you get on the treadmill for an hour and burn another 200 cals. You don't add the 500 to the 2400. B/C during your 2 hours of exercise your body would have burned 200 cals by just standing there. So you only burned 300 cals from exercise.
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Lets say your lifestyle is 2400 cals (100 cals/ per hour) and you go to the gym for an hour and burn 300 cals, then you get on the treadmill for an hour and burn another 200 cals. You don't add the 500 to the 2400. B/C during your 2 hours of exercise your body would have burned 200 cals by just standing there. So you only burned 300 cals from exercise.
Hmmmm, now I'm confused, as the Activities tab seems to add things straight up for me.

My daily lifestyle burn, for example, is roughly 2200 calories. I burned about 600 calories at the gym today in an hour at the elliptical. I added that in through the activities tab (by adding it as stair-treadmill ergonometer) It's showing my burn to be 2800, so it doesn't seem to be subtracting for the hour of "standing" I'd be doing. Though... I have my lifestyle set to "Seated All Day" as this is mostly true... does that matter?

The real numbers:

Lifestyle: 2,225 (Seated)
Activities: 632 (Stair-treadmill ergonometer, 1:02) <--- I set this time to be close to what the heart rate monitor says I burned, which was 636 in an hour. I don't think the four cals matter
Total: 2,857

If this is just due to the "Seated" Lifestyle, feel free to tell me that I'm being silly
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thanks for the reply. i have been using the Activities Tab to add in calories spent on a specific exercise. so, for example, yesterday's activities looked like this:

biking 10-11 mph: 30mins / 239 cal
stationary biking (vigorous effort 250 Watts): 1:00 / 996 cal
custodial work: 4:00 / 1115 cal

lifestyle (sedentary): 18:30 / 1793 cal

TOTAL BURNED: 4144*

* incidentally, i use a HR monitor on my stationary bike and it calculates my calories burned to be around 1100 per hour, averaging 310 Watts.

this is about an average day as far as exercise goes. twice a week (rest days) will be less, and two other days will be more when i double up with swimming, etc.

the confusion is this: if i set my lifestyle tab to "Standing" (which is accurate; I do custodial/maintenance work), my lifestyle calories burned jumps to 2653, and when i add my exercises for the day using the exercise tab, my total calories burned jumps to over 5000, which is too high.

this is because the computer has already calculated my increased 'Standing' activity level, and then I go along and later ADD "Custodial Work" in as an activity in the activity tab, effectively doubling up on that calculation.

on other websites, the Lifestyle Calculation will say something like "Active: Exercises 5+ days per week", and if you use that as a baseline, and then add your daily exercises individually, you are effectively doubling your calories burned calculation because the computer has already adjusted your calories burned for someone who does almost daily exercise.

or, i can choose 'Sedentary' (which I'm not) to give me a baseline basal daily calorie requirement of 1793, and just add ALL my daily activities.

so i think the danger is it's very easy to overestimate daily calories burned by using both the Lifestyle Activity Level and the separate Exercise Tab.
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Hmmmm, now I'm confused, as the Activities tab seems to add things straight up for me.

My daily lifestyle burn, for example, is roughly 2200 calories. I burned about 600 calories at the gym today in an hour at the elliptical. I added that in through the activities tab (by adding it as stair-treadmill ergonometer) It's showing my burn to be 2800, so it doesn't seem to be subtracting for the hour of "standing" I'd be doing. Though... I have my lifestyle set to "Seated All Day" as this is mostly true... does that matter?

The real numbers:

Lifestyle: 2,225 (Seated)
Activities: 632 (Stair-treadmill ergonometer, 1:02) <--- I set this time to be close to what the heart rate monitor says I burned, which was 636 in an hour. I don't think the four cals matter
Total: 2,857

If this is just due to the "Seated" Lifestyle, feel free to tell me that I'm being silly
look at this example here, this is a typical day for me. (to the left is before adding in my work out, right is after)


Before my work out was added in I was at 2180 calories burned
My workout was 421 calories burned.
2180 + 421 = 2601
in all actuality I only burned an EXTRA 321 calories during that workout b/c I would have normally burned a 100 cals with my daily activity.
That's why it shows my total as 2501 and NOT 2601. To calculate this correctly you'll see that it subtracted the hour spent doing the exercise from my Lifestyle. Notice Lifestyle went from 18 hours to 17 hours.

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look at this example here, this is a typical day for me. (to the left is before adding in my work out, right is after)


Before my work out was added in I was at 2180 calories burned
My workout was 421 calories burned.
2180 + 421 = 2601
in all actuality I only burned an EXTRA 321 calories during that workout b/c I would have normally burned a 100 cals with my daily activity.
That's why it shows my total as 2501 and NOT 2601. To calculate this correctly you'll see that it subtracted the hour spent doing the exercise from my Lifestyle. Notice Lifestyle went from 18 hours to 17 hours.
Thanks Mike, perfectly clear now! I hadn't looked before I added in the activity. I'm thinking I should probably start logging sleep as well.
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thanks for the reply. i have been using the Activities Tab to add in calories spent on a specific exercise. so, for example, yesterday's activities looked like this:

biking 10-11 mph: 30mins / 239 cal
stationary biking (vigorous effort 250 Watts): 1:00 / 996 cal
custodial work: 4:00 / 1115 cal

lifestyle (sedentary): 18:30 / 1793 cal

TOTAL BURNED: 4144*

* incidentally, i use a HR monitor on my stationary bike and it calculates my calories burned to be around 1100 per hour, averaging 310 Watts.

this is about an average day as far as exercise goes. twice a week (rest days) will be less, and two other days will be more when i double up with swimming, etc.

the confusion is this: if i set my lifestyle tab to "Standing" (which is accurate; I do custodial/maintenance work), my lifestyle calories burned jumps to 2653, and when i add my exercises for the day using the exercise tab, my total calories burned jumps to over 5000, which is too high.

this is because the computer has already calculated my increased 'Standing' activity level, and then I go along and later ADD "Custodial Work" in as an activity in the activity tab, effectively doubling up on that calculation.

on other websites, the Lifestyle Calculation will say something like "Active: Exercises 5+ days per week", and if you use that as a baseline, and then add your daily exercises individually, you are effectively doubling your calories burned calculation because the computer has already adjusted your calories burned for someone who does almost daily exercise.

or, i can choose 'Sedentary' (which I'm not) to give me a baseline basal daily calorie requirement of 1793, and just add ALL my daily activities.

so i think the danger is it's very easy to overestimate daily calories burned by using both the Lifestyle Activity Level and the separate Exercise Tab.
okay let me just do the math here. Lets assume you go with "Standing", I wouldn't count Custodial work since that would probably be considered standing work, that's why it shows a higher calorie burn than sedentary.
For you:
Standing = 2653 cals/day which breaks down to 110.54 cals per hour.
Between biking and stationary bike, you spent 1.5 hrs. This leaves you lifestyle at 22.5hrs.
22.5 hours x 110.54 cals/hr = 2487.15 cals for Lifestyle
2487.15 + 239 (biking cals) + 996 (stationary bike cals) = 3722.15 cals burned

IMO everyone should log sleep and I'd bet that if you logged 8hrs of sleep that number would go DOWN to about 3400 cals burned TOTAL

Would that seem accurate, If not, try entering it like that... don't forget to enter sleep if you feel the # is too high!!!
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Thanks Mike, perfectly clear now! I hadn't looked before I added in the activity. I'm thinking I should probably start logging sleep as well.
I'm more of a 'visual' type of guy. I can explain things better with a picture. I'm glad that helped.
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your math explained it perfectly, and i had forgotten to log 'Sleep' in the activity log. when i log sleep and change my Lifestyle to 'Standing, the total calories burned average between 3400-3600 depending on how heavy my exercise day is.

this correlates to my current rate of weekly loss (around 2.4 pounds or so) when i eat between 2000 and 2600 calories daily.

so the answer(s) to my question are:

a) set Lifestyle to 'Standing' but don't log custodial hours as extra activities, and,

b) include 'Sleep' on the activity log.

Thanks for your help!
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so the answer(s) to my question are:

a) set Lifestyle to 'Standing' but don't log custodial hours as extra activities, and,

b) include 'Sleep' on the activity log.

Thanks for your help!
yep, if that number seems to be about right, that's what I would do. I was told by Admin that sleep was already figured in, but I find for me (and many others) when we log sleep, the number looks more accurate.

If you don't do the custodial work every day, you changing option "a" to sedentary and add in the in the custodial work (keep in mind that there are different levels of effort for this) on the days you do it. Make sure you still log sleep. Either way is probably better than how it was originally done. Just check to see which looks more accurate.


I'm glad I was able to help.
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