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IronRanger 10-23-2010 11:37 PM

LeanGains.com and Intermittent Fasting
 
I wanted to post about leangains.com and intermittent fasting. It seems radical - I was a huge (pardon the pun) skeptic. I'm 37 years old. I weighed 207 pounds @ 5'7", 34% bodyfat. Yes, I'm a male. I have 8 years, or thereabouts, experience with weight training. After a ten year break, 8 months ago, I started weight training again.

LeanGains combines heavy compound lifts with high intensity, low volume focused training. The only real requirement is that you use heavy compound lifts. If a higher or lower volume works well for you, then by all means, go that route.

LeanGains involves a 16-hour fast, followed by an 8-hour feeding window. There are other fasting programs, but this one works well for me, since I have a love of lifting weights.

Eat-Stop-Eat is another program that can be followed (24-hour fasts, followed by 24-hour feasts, but still maintaining a calorie deficit).

In the last 3.5 months, with 5 weeks of diet breaks (re-feeds) scheduled every six weeks, conservatively, I've lost 20 pounds. 75%-85% of that weight has been fat. I've maintained or increased my strength in the squat, overhead press, bench, row and chin-up. The only decline has been my deadlift; But I had stitches placed in my finger and couldn't grip for 2 weeks.

Anyone else use fasting for weight loss?

MikeApps 10-26-2010 06:27 PM

I do a fast about once per week, usually on a sunday (between saturday's dinner and sunday's dinner). While I am unsure whether or not it has made a huge difference in my fat loss, it certainly hasn't hurt the process; furthermore I have never felt like I was depriving myself in any way (which can really damage one's perception of dieting in the first place...).

It also cuts down on food bills :D

almeeker 10-26-2010 11:45 PM

Never

IronRanger 10-30-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeApps (Post 23955)
...furthermore I have never felt like I was depriving myself in any way (which can really damage one's perception of dieting in the first place...).

It also cuts down on food bills :D

Yes, I don't feel deprived other than calorie restricting (limiting). I'm not talking about a calorie deficit, but putting the breaks on once you've reached your maintenance or just-above maintenance caloric needs. On non-lifting days, I'll eat at maintenance or 200 calories above and on lift days I'll eat 400-500 calories over maintenance.

I'll be going back to a calorie deficit soon. I zig-zag my calorie intake so that it's higher on lift days and lower on non-lift days. I've been losing 1.5 lbs/week this way and it's nowhere near as depriving as a "normal" diet. I get to eat two gigantic meals a day. Yes, there's a little bit of hunger before meals, but it's usually brief and tolerable; Unlike when I was eating 6 small meals per day.

Smaller food bill, but also less cooking. :) Two big meals, for me, to cook and it's all within an 8-hour (sometimes 4-6 hours) window. My kitchen's not as messy.

The problem with fasting is that it's been labeled "bad for you" by the supplement companies (they sell less product). Even bodybuilders are guilty of this, and they're generally on the cutting edge of nutrition.

I hope fasting gets huge (pun intended :p) so that the health benefits can be reaped by all, especially in the U.S.A.

noelminneci 10-30-2010 07:39 PM

No way would I have enough energy to lift weights if I fasted.

IronRanger 11-04-2010 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by noelminneci (Post 24172)
No way would I have enough energy to lift weights if I fasted.

I thought this too. Now that I have fully adapted to this style of eating, I'm having my best lifting sessions.

LeanGains is set-up so that you're on a 16-hour fast followed by an 8-hour feeding window.

You're not training completely fasted, branched chain amino acids (BCAAs) or a serving of whey protein is taken 15 minutes prior to lifting. Completely fasted training can actually be detrimental to strength gaining.

Best of all, I can stuff myself for 8 hours and still only be slightly above maintenance. Prior to the fasting eating pattern, I was eating like a pig from breakfast 'til bed.

The first few days of this type of eating pattern will be difficult, within a few weeks, you'll be completely adjusted.

My suggestion is that you don't start this diet with a calorie deficit; Start by eating whatever you normally would. After you're adapted, switch to a calorie deficit.

midwestj 11-04-2010 03:23 AM

ESE and fasting works for a lot of people. If you are someone who doesn't have time to be eating every 3-4 hours or has a hard time staying on track with a calorie deficit it is a strong approach.

tandoorichicken 11-15-2010 11:04 PM

Instead of IF sometimes I'll hold off eating anything until later in the afternoon. I've found that this helps with energy and concentration if I have a particularly stressful task in the morning like a research paper to work on or if its "reply to the 300 emails I missed while I was on vacation" day. Some days I will wake up and instinctively know that if I were to have anything besides black coffee, I'd just be in a daze all day long.

IronRanger 11-28-2010 02:07 AM

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Instead of IF sometimes I'll hold off eating anything until later in the afternoon.
Then you're fasting instinctively.

I forgot to mention another fasting diet and that is the Warrior Diet. 20-hour fasts with a 4-hour feeding window.

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ESE and fasting works for a lot of people. If you are someone who doesn't have time to be eating every 3-4 hours or has a hard time staying on track with a calorie deficit it is a strong approach.
Right now, fasting is blowing-up in the bodybuilding community. It will spillover in to the mainstream eventually. Right now, I get a lot of comments on how "it's not good for you". No one can tell me "Why?". It's dogma and accepted as "bad".

I was never a big breakfast eater. I ate it because Mom told me to. That's not to say I don't love breakfast foods, I do. Oh yes, I love a stack of pancakes or waffles with syrup. I just wasn't hungry.

My Dad ate this way. He was 52 and still had a six-pack. I'd watch in awe as he'd eat two boxes of spaghetti with about 90 meatballs before he'd go to sleep. All day, he'd have some coffee, maybe an apple, or on rare occasions, a sandwich. Then I'd watch him demolish huge piles of food every night.

I was a skeptic until about 4 months ago. Now I understand it.

midwestj 12-28-2010 07:14 PM

I picked up the book Eat Stop Eat and since then I have done two weeks with a single fast and last week I did two fasts. Even after pigging out on holiday treats and potlucks for the last couple of days over Christmas I still lost a some fat (roughly 2 lbs in 2 weeks.)

I used to count calories and eat multiple times a day and while this is a solid approach that did net me a lot of fat loss, there are other ways to do it. I decided on trying Eat Stop Eat because I wanted my diet and nutrition to stop playing such a large part in my life. I wanted to eat guilt free, and enjoy food again.

The best part is that now I can eat on a normal breakfast, lunch and dinner schedule. I can indulge in foods that normally would be too calorie dense for my former eating plan. I can go out to eat and order whatever I want off the menu. I can lift weights and gain muscle because most days I eat plenty, but then I still lose fat because I maintain a weekly deficit.

In my experience with fasting so far I never get hungry, I do feel the empty stomach but this isn't painful hunger, its just a feeling of an empty stomach. I have exercised and had great days while fasting.

Its great to be freed from the need to constantly eat every three hours and meticulously record everything and manage my nutrient macros.

The fasting can also be a great tool for maintenance over a lifetime.

If there is anyone who is sick of calorie counting and spending hours cooking and cleaning every day because of your diet I encourage you to take a look at Eat Stop Eat or other methods of fasting like Leangains and The Warrior diet. There is also a free ebook on the internet called Fast 5. Eat Stop Eat is the most informative and science based approach out of the three, and that is why I chose it.


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